Re: WPS Release 2.3 and some SAS & WPS Price Comparisons on

Jack,

The WPS installation comes as an 84mb .msi file. It takes about two minutes
to actually install it. There will be some time needed to get acquainted
with the workbench if you've never used Eclipse before. I imagine that you
can become comfortable with it in two or three hours trying to figure out
what menu options do certain things and moving windows around so that you
like the setup.

Phil Rack
www.minequest.com


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Hamilton
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Subject: Re: WPS Release 2.3 and some SAS & WPS Price Comparisons on

A month is barely enough time to get a program installed. I goose they have
a longer trial period than that.




--
Jack Hamilton
jfh@alumni.stanford.org

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on

Enterprise Guide has been there for some time, but have a look at the
WPS interface . It is the Apple -like design. Like I said ....WPS
gives away 1 month evaluation period free.....

http://www.teamwpc.co.uk/products/wps/compare

On 5/20/08, Keintz, H. Mark <mkeintz@wharton.upenn.edu> wrote:
> If you take a look at where SAS is positioning itself: a "solutions"
> vendor instead of a "tools" vendor, then maybe SAS is not going to
> respond to price pressure from WPS as much as you hope.
>
> Any enterprise assessing SAS vs competition will want to evaluate
> numerous issues. Here are three:
>
> 1. SAS server technologies, including SAS/share, scalable parallel
> data server, several database engines.
>
> 2. User interface tools: SAS enterprise guide and BI dashboard, which
> presumably will take away the programming burden from users who are
> program-scripting-challenged.
>
> 3. Special economic sector software and standards: ETS, GIS, CDISC
>
>
> So those of us (and I include myself) who would like to see
> significantly reduced prices for commercial users of SAS should probably
> not put too much stake in WPS as creating much pressure for reducing SAS
> software prices by more than, say 20%. It will probably allow some
> users to put the equivalent of Base SAS and SAS/STAT on some Windows
> workstations (especially once WPS has a SAS/connect equivalent) but it
> might not affect the overall software strategy of large enterprises.
>
> And remember, users at educational institutions have no price incentive
> to leave SAS for WPS. Also SAS is now offering SODA (software on demand
> for academics), an environment in which users run Entrerprise Guide
> against a server run by SAS, removing the software installation and
> maintenance burden from academic users. The result is that SAS become
> more attractive in the classroom (i.e. it will reach beyond those grad
> students trying to do their data management and analyses using
> "traditional" SAS programs). If this creative initiative succeeds,
> there will be a lot more SAS **users** coming out of universities than
> SAS **programmers**. That won't favor WPS.
>
> Nevertheless, there will be demand for WPS. It just may not matter to
> SAS Institute.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> ohri2007@GMAIL.COM
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:03 AM
>> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: WPS Release 2.3 and some SAS & WPS Price Comparisons on
>>
>> But r statistical procedures are vetted thoroughly .wps really works
>> for data shaping and aggregation. Calculating means , std deviations
>> isnt rocket science .sas inc of course has a loyal following in the
>> sugi network but at ten times the price ,sas wont make that make that
>> much business sense. Unlike sas, wps gives away a free 1 month
>> evaluation trial , which should take care of any customized
>> benchmarking. Not sure if macros run on wps though....and at ten times
>> the price , macros arent that free anymore
>>
>> On 5/20/08, RolandRB <rolandberry@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On May 20, 4:39 am, ohri2...@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>> >> Phil,
>> >>
>> >> The price comparisons are really useful. It is amazing to see WPS
> is
>> >> `15 times less expensive in 1 year and nearly 10 times less
>> expensive
>> >> than Base SAS over 3 years.
>> >>
>> >> There should be no reason to continue with base SAS server
>> >> installations after this definitive analysis for people engaged in
>> >> data intensive jobs, especially for price sensitive jobs.
>> >>
>> >> Think of it, as lower software costs may mean 1 more job retained
> at
>> >> your company.
>> >>
>> >> The WPS interface is also much superior rather than the same old
>> >> enhanced (?) editor of SAS and its easy to shift to given that
>> exactly
>> >> the same language is used.
>> >>
>> >> However the lack of comparable to SAS /STAT is a definitive
> weakness
>> >> for modelers (even though nearly all data summarizing procs are
>> >> included).
>> >>
>> >> Here your bridge to R may be useful, even though I directly use the
>> >> GUI for R (being free..and click and actually more comparable to
>> >> SPSS).
>> >>
>> >> Given the huge number of SAS licenses used primarily in low end
> data
>> >> crunching jobs in Indian outsourcing sector which is very very
> price
>> >> sensitive , I might not be surprised if SAS Inc retaliates if WPS
>> >> picks up more steam.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Ajay
>> >>
>> >> www.decisionstats.com
>> >>
>> >> On 5/20/08, Phil Rack <PhilR...@minequest.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I've been meaning to post this for a few days now but it seems to
>> keep
>> >> > slipping my mind. Anyway, WPS has just released version 2.3 of
>> their SAS
>> >> > language compatible system. This release seems to be mostly aimed
>> at the
>> >> > mainframe market with a number of performance updates. There's
>> also some
>> >> > additions to the WorkBench (Eclipse IDE) which adds
> auto-indenting
>> to
>> >> > the
>> >> > script editor among other things. Looking through the What's New
>> section
>> >> > of
>> >> > the Readme.txt file the other entry that has caught my eye is the
>> >> > support
>> >> > for hot-spotting in GChart using html.
>> >>
>> >> > Finally, I've put together a Cost Comparison of WPS and SAS on a
>> Windows
>> >> > Server. For those who are interested, you can view this PDF at
>> TinyURL:
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/4ea7t8
>> >>
>> >> > or the full URL at:
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.minequest.com/downloads/P...Between_WPS_an.
>> ..
>> >> > df
>> >>
>> >> > Phil Rack
>> >>
>> >> >www.minequest.com- Hide quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> > It would be good to see a thorough comparison of functionality.
>> > Companies aren't going to change over to WPS unless conversion is
>> > feasible. most companies have a huge investment in macros in their
>> > legacy systems and I would not know if these would work with WPS. In
>> > the Clinical field, the stats procedures in SAS are trusted through
>> > many years of use. Even if WPS added the same stats procedures,
>> nobody
>> > would trust them.
>> >
>