Re: What are the pros and cons of JMP software,

There are additional SAS products that I seldom, if ever, recall seeing
mentioned "on the L" so I will add it to this list of possible solutions.

The first, SAS/Lab, may be accessed through the editor window (assuming
that it is licensed) via the sequence Solutions/Analysis/Guided Data
Analysis. Basically, you point it at a SAS data set and provide some
information on which variables are dependent, independent, classification,
etc. and click on Analyze (if memory serves). SAS offers the option of your
selecting the procedures to run or it will make the selection for you. You
are then presented with a series of windows which give proc results, show
assumptions involved in the model and which are possibly violated,
suggestions on transformations, some graphics and maybe some others. I use
it rarely so I don't recall all the details. The interface is definitely
not whiz-bang but it does do a lot of work for you. I suspect that a lot of
educational licenses include it and those in education might want to see if
they have it. Of course, one still has to have a SAS data set to work on.

In my opinion, the name SAS/Lab is probably the worst marketing choice that
they could have made if they wished to suggest what the product would do.
Of course, JMP is not much better but it does supposedly have a history of
how the name evolved (Allegedly, it stands for John's Macintosh Product,
after John Sall who lead the development. Dr. Sall is the number two guy at
SAS but we seldom hear his name mentioned. )

Also, SAS Insight offers some limited analytical tools although I did hear
at NESUG that some IML manipulations are going to bundled with it in 9.2.
It is reached similarly through Solutions/Analysis/Interactive Data
Analysis. This product is really nice for doing applied data snooping since
you can quickly produce scatter plots, select points of interest, and then
view the data.

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As one who is familiar with JMP and SPSS but preferrs SAS I can say
the following:

Pros of using JMP
Reads SAS datasets
Has a convenient user interface for analysis work
Has a scripting language (which I've never used)

Cons of using JMP
Convenient user interface is not-so-convient for big analysis work
I don't think there is a way to convert the GUI mouse-clicks into
JMP script as one can do in SPSS or SAS Assist or SAS Enterprise
guide.
Cannot read SPSS data files or export to the SPSS format.

SPSS seems to have the best of both: a powerful GUI, a syntax window
for writing and submitting SPSS code, plus the ability for users to
'paste' their 'syntax' into the syntax window after selecting an
analysis and parameters via the GUI. I believe in SPSS you can read
SAS datasets and save to the SAS dataset format. In SAS we can't
touch SPSS data without using third-party software like DBMScopy or
StatTransfer, etc.

SAS Enterprise Guide is worth consideration. It is not something I
like to use, but has many of the kinds of features that make SPSS a
popular choice for folks who want real stats fast without having to
write a lot of code. EG gives access to SAS procedures by way of a
GUI. Users can select procedures, fill-in options and parameters and
then run it for output and/or export the SAS code generated so they
can run the same job at a later date.

-- Bill



On Jan 4, 10:06 am, Robert <irishhac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never used JMP software, but I've heard that most people who hate
> programming languages and must use statistical software, SPSS has the
> niche brand there.
>
> Who out there has used both JMP and SPSS? How do you compare?
>
> Also:
> When using PC SAS, which is usually coding , you have the option of
> opening up the sas dataset in a spreadsheet view ( read not write )
> and looking through the data that way, in a quick and dirty fashion.
> But it is nowhere near as user-friendly as it could have been, often
> you must do too many clicks to accomplish something simple.



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