Why not to give up (off-topic)

> in the eye of the beholder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_...er_(video_game)

Tim Bradshaw <tfb@tfeb.org> writes:

> On 2012-03-20 03:44:00 +0000, namekuseijin said:
>
>> BTW, and on a completely off-topic note, this is hilarious:
>>
>> http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
>
> Entertainlingly I changed this locally the other day to add some
> people. I wasn't going to upload it, but it seems appropriate that I
> should, now.

Well. This is precisely one of those moments of amusement I refered to
yesterday which you can get when reading c.l.l. carefully :-)

Nicolas

P.S.: I'm quite aware that this might bring me into that list, too...

On 2012-03-20 13:02:18 +0000, Nicolas Neuss said:
>
> Well. This is precisely one of those moments of amusement I refered to
> yesterday which you can get when reading c.l.l. carefully :-)
>
> Nicolas
>
> P.S.: I'm quite aware that this might bring me into that list, too...

Nowhere near. you need to try much harder than that.

On 2012-03-20, Tim Bradshaw <tfb@tfeb.org> wrote:
> On 2012-03-19 19:09:21 +0000, Kaz Kylheku said:
>
>> But are you interested in mailing lists without subscription requirements?
>
> Not really, because I don't see what they have over newsgroups.

Single point of entry with the possibility of blocking at the SMTP level.

* Tim Bradshaw <jk9lg0$l19$1@dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 10:17:36 +0000:

| Entertainlingly I changed this locally the other day to add some
| people. I wasn't going to upload it, but it seems appropriate that I
| should, now.

I'd attribute much of the quality woes that Bradshaw was bitching about
in this thread to his own attempt to become the "most prolific poster"
on google groups.

The decline is concurrent with the quality of posters that are easily
amused adding to the noise, edging out anyone who might have anything
"interesting" to say.

--- Madhu

On 2012-03-20 15:56:45 +0000, Madhu said:

> The decline is concurrent with the quality of posters that are easily
> amused adding to the noise, edging out anyone who might have anything
> "interesting" to say.

Ah yes, I see now, it's all my fault.

Tim Bradshaw <tfb@tfeb.org> writes:

> On 2012-03-20 03:44:00 +0000, namekuseijin said:
>
>> BTW, and on a completely off-topic note, this is hilarious:
>>
>> http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
>
> Entertainlingly I changed this locally the other day to add some
> people. I wasn't going to upload it, but it seems appropriate that I
> should, now.

This should be linked from the cll FAQ, if there is one. If not,
one should be created just so that it can be linked.

Em terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 07h17min36s UTC-3, Tim Bradshaw escreveu:
> On 2012-03-20 03:44:00 +0000, namekuseijin said:
>
> > BTW, and on a completely off-topic note, this is hilarious:
> >
> > http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
>
> Entertainlingly I changed this locally the other day to add some
> people. I wasn't going to upload it, but it seems appropriate that I
> should, now.

that's not fair! I've been posting on and off on cll since about 2007.

And I'm not any madder than any other programming language geeks.

Em terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 07h21min02s UTC-3, Tim Bradshaw escreveu:
> On 2012-03-19 19:09:21 +0000, Kaz Kylheku said:
>
> > But are you interested in mailing lists without subscription requirements?
>
> Not really, because I don't see what they have over newsgroups.

seemingly, they have more people now than usenet. Particularly, the haskell mailing list is very crowded, by the looks of it, you'd never guess it's an obscure and cryptic abstract programming language for math majors. ^_^

even so, it's still old wig: I'm sure there're far more people talking about programming languages at Famebook.

Em terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 07h50min33s UTC-3, Tim Bradshaw escreveu:
> Obviously I can't speak for WJ (even though he's actually me)

oh, I can see how you figure in that list.

On 2012-03-20 18:34:58 +0000, namekuseijin said:
> oh, I can see how you figure in that list.

Don't tell anyone but everyone on the list is me.

Em terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 17h02min51s UTC-3, Tim Bradshaw escreveu:
> On 2012-03-20 18:34:58 +0000, namekuseijin said:
> > oh, I can see how you figure in that list.
>
> Don't tell anyone but everyone on the list is me.

that can't be, unless you are me too.

On 2012-03-20 20:13:02 +0000, namekuseijin said:
>
> that can't be, unless you are me too.

I think of you as a kind of shard: a mostly-independent subprocess. WJ
is that annoying thing which is spinning using a whole core, vomiting a
gigabyte or so an hour of meaningless junk into its logfile, while
ignoring any signal you can think to send it (trapped, as it were, in a
loop). The frog turns out to have been a node in a botnet of some kind,
possibly financed by aliens. Xah is the aliens. Cthun is a fork bomb.
All of you will be lost come the maintenance window: fading bit
patterns in cooling memory banks.

Em terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 17h40min59s UTC-3, Tim Bradshaw escreveu:
> On 2012-03-20 20:13:02 +0000, namekuseijin said:
> >
> > that can't be, unless you are me too.
>
> I think of you as a kind of shard: a mostly-independent subprocess. WJ
> is that annoying thing which is spinning using a whole core, vomiting a
> gigabyte or so an hour of meaningless junk into its logfile, while
> ignoring any signal you can think to send it (trapped, as it were, in a
> loop). The frog turns out to have been a node in a botnet of some kind,
> possibly financed by aliens. Xah is the aliens. Cthun is a fork bomb.
> All of you will be lost come the maintenance window: fading bit
> patterns in cooling memory banks.

fg %1

cool

ctrl+z

On Mar 19, 4:01*am, Tim Bradshaw <t...@tfeb.org> wrote:
> I've been thinking that I should just give up on CLL as the trolls are
> clearly winning at this point in a way that I don't think has happened
> before: not only is there a lot of noise from trolls and people
> (including me, and including this post) feeding them, but there is
> almost nothing else.
>
> Even without the trolls, CLL is dying with the rest of usenet (and at a
> rate which doesn't seem to be faster than other groups based on
> measured traffic volumes, so it does not appear to be that CLL is
> particularly hostile). *But there's not really a replacement and
> probably never will be: I'm not interested in mailing lists with
> subscription requirements for reasons I've explained before, and the
> various web fora are terrible.
>
> So at some point it will just go away and at that point I probably
> won't talk to people about Lisp any more, which is sort of sad but
> inevitable. *Fortunately I have lots of other interests, and there are
> now enough other ways of keeping up to date with things I need to know
> about in CL.
>
> So why not just bring that day forward and walk away now? *Well, I
> realised last night that the reason I find WJ so annoying is that what
> he wants is essentially totalitarianism: he wants to say that a
> particular approach to iteration (LOOP) is evil, and that a language
> which has historically been very supportive of many programming styles
> is also evil, and that one should instead use a language which is far
> more restrictive in the styles it supports. *That's a really very ugly
> point of view in my opinion, and although WJ is obviously just an
> annoyance I'm sure people said that about other people with similar
> totalitarian views who turned out to be a lot more than that.
>
> so, not just yet.
>
> --tim
>
> [yes, I know this article is skating around a well-known law of usenet.]

dude just jerk off you will feel much better