createTextNode and IE7

RobG said the following on 12/13/2006 11:45 PM:
> Randy Webb wrote:
>> Peter Michaux said the following on 12/7/2006 12:51 PM:
>>> Randy Webb wrote:
>>>> Yes, I am loading files on the fly. I am probably going to add something
>>>> along the lines of your test page results to it where it also indicates
>>>> support (or lack of) for changing the .text property of a script element
>>>> and the support for createTextNode
>>> Let me know when and I'll do more clicking. I'm interested in these
>>> results as a whole.
>> The preliminary file is here:
>>
>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index2.html>
>
> If I click on the "Create Element" button, I get the following error:
>
> ocument is not defined -- index.html line 18
>
> ocument.getElementById('scriptDiv').appendChild(s) ;
> --^

I know I found that error after uploading it. I have a new one to
uploaded that has some updated information on the .text property and
createTextNode methods. It has also been moved/renamed to index.html
instead of index2.html:

<URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>

index2.html has been deleted.

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Randy Webb wrote:
> RobG said the following on 12/13/2006 11:45 PM:
> > Randy Webb wrote:
> >> Peter Michaux said the following on 12/7/2006 12:51 PM:
> >>> Randy Webb wrote:
> >>>> Yes, I am loading files on the fly. I am probably going to add something
> >>>> along the lines of your test page results to it where it also indicates
> >>>> support (or lack of) for changing the .text property of a script element
> >>>> and the support for createTextNode
> >>> Let me know when and I'll do more clicking. I'm interested in these
> >>> results as a whole.
> >> The preliminary file is here:
> >>
> >> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index2.html>
> >
> > If I click on the "Create Element" button, I get the following error:
> >
> > ocument is not defined -- index.html line 18
> >
> > ocument.getElementById('scriptDiv').appendChild(s) ;
> > --^
>
> I know I found that error after uploading it. I have a new one to
> uploaded that has some updated information on the .text property and
> createTextNode methods. It has also been moved/renamed to index.html
> instead of index2.html:
>
> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>

I noticed a few things

In one row you have OS X 10.4 but all others are 10.4.8

You really have IE 5.2 on OS X 10.4? I just wonder because it came
standard on 10.3 and you have Safari 1.3 on 10.3.

What's going on with the contradictory iCab 3.0.3 results?

If iCab is the only current release browser that is red from left to
right do you just say "screw, iCab"?

Peter

Peter Michaux said the following on 12/14/2006 2:08 AM:
> Randy Webb wrote:
>> RobG said the following on 12/13/2006 11:45 PM:
>>> Randy Webb wrote:
>>>> Peter Michaux said the following on 12/7/2006 12:51 PM:
>>>>> Randy Webb wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I am loading files on the fly. I am probably going to add something
>>>>>> along the lines of your test page results to it where it also indicates
>>>>>> support (or lack of) for changing the .text property of a script element
>>>>>> and the support for createTextNode
>>>>> Let me know when and I'll do more clicking. I'm interested in these
>>>>> results as a whole.
>>>> The preliminary file is here:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index2.html>
>>> If I click on the "Create Element" button, I get the following error:
>>>
>>> ocument is not defined -- index.html line 18
>>>
>>> ocument.getElementById('scriptDiv').appendChild(s) ;
>>> --^
>> I know I found that error after uploading it. I have a new one to
>> uploaded that has some updated information on the .text property and
>> createTextNode methods. It has also been moved/renamed to index.html
>> instead of index2.html:
>>
>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>
>
> I noticed a few things
>
> In one row you have OS X 10.4 but all others are 10.4.8

All of the mac data comes from other people. I honestly don't remember
who gave me the 10.4 data (I should start noting it I guess) but if you
can confirm the data as being accurate in 10.4.8 then it can be changed
to be uniform. The 10.4.8 came from your page, the 10.4 probably came
from either Richard Cornford or ASM.

> You really have IE 5.2 on OS X 10.4? I just wonder because it came
> standard on 10.3 and you have Safari 1.3 on 10.3.

<shrug> Another of those me depending on others for the mac results. I
will try to find where I got that data from (Its in the archives
somewhere). For now it is changed to 10.3 until I can confirm it. I am
probably going to rearrange the mac section by OS version number so that
all the 10.3's are together, 10.4, etc.. Probably do the WinME/XP
section the same way.

> What's going on with the contradictory iCab 3.0.3 results?

More than likely, a copy/paste error on my part.

> If iCab is the only current release browser that is red from left to
> right do you just say "screw, iCab"?

Pretty much iCab doesn't seem to be a very dynamic scriptable browser.

I corrected the iCab 3.0.3 results locally and will upload it tonight.

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Hi Randy,

Randy Webb wrote:
>
> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>

Is this file really working? Now I'm getting all failures on the first
test in the XP browsers I tried. It is strange though because on the
first two clicks I see no activity, on the third click i see
"Downloading blah blah blah" in the status bar but when it finishes
downloading I don't see the alert. I think the other tests are working
but maybe you can look again before I click about 100 times in 20
browsers.

Off topic but what is the difference with putting urls in <URL: > vs.
just in <> like VK suggested?

Peter

Peter Michaux wrote:
<snip>
> like VK suggested?

Haven't you read enough of his posts yet to be beyond being interested
in anything VK 'suggests'?

Richard.

Peter Michaux wrote:
> Hi Randy,
>
> Randy Webb wrote:
>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>
>
> Is this file really working? Now I'm getting all failures on the first
> test in the XP browsers I tried. It is strange though because on the
> first two clicks I see no activity, on the third click i see
> "Downloading blah blah blah" in the status bar but when it finishes
> downloading I don't see the alert. I think the other tests are working
> but maybe you can look again before I click about 100 times in 20
> browsers.
>
> Off topic but what is the difference with putting urls in <URL: > vs.
> just in <> like VK suggested?

The <URL: > convention was once an official part of the URL standard, as
the one and only correct way to embed a URL in plain text. It was
removed from the standard for lack of use, but a good deal of software
still supports it.

The < > convention was never official, but some software supports it all
the same.

I have personally had better results with the <URL: > convention.

--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"

John W. Kennedy wrote:
> Peter Michaux wrote:

> > Off topic but what is the difference with putting urls in <URL: > vs.
> > just in <> like VK suggested?
>
> The <URL: > convention was once an official part of the URL standard, as
> the one and only correct way to embed a URL in plain text. It was
> removed from the standard for lack of use, but a good deal of software
> still supports it.
>
> The < > convention was never official, but some software supports it all
> the same.
>
> I have personally had better results with the <URL: > convention.

Thanks.

Peter

Peter Michaux said the following on 12/15/2006 11:14 AM:
> Hi Randy,
>
> Randy Webb wrote:
>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>
>
> Is this file really working?

I can verify that my local copy works. As for the online copy, I can't
even get the nice wonderful AOL server to even serve me the file to test
it :\

After testing it with the full filename it seems to be loading it for me
now in Opera 9.0 and all of the buttons work as designed.

I emailed you all the files it uses. If it fails to send the files for
some reason, let me know and I will post a .zip file somewhere.

> Now I'm getting all failures on the first test in the XP browsers I tried.

I gotta find a better server to put this stuff on.

> It is strange though because on the
> first two clicks I see no activity, on the third click i see
> "Downloading blah blah blah" in the status bar but when it finishes
> downloading I don't see the alert. I think the other tests are working
> but maybe you can look again before I click about 100 times in 20
> browsers.

I think that is more AOCrap's server than anything else.

> Off topic but what is the difference with putting urls in <URL: > vs.
> just in <> like VK suggested?

Two tests:
<URL:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/close_0.asp>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/close_0.asp>

Easy enough to test. Let's see what the difference is with a long URL.

--
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Randy Webb wrote:
> >
> > Randy Webb wrote:
> >> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>
> >
> > Is this file really working?
>
> I can verify that my local copy works. As for the online copy, I can't
> even get the nice wonderful AOL server to even serve me the file to test
> it :\
>
> After testing it with the full filename it seems to be loading it for me
> now in Opera 9.0 and all of the buttons work as designed.
>
> I emailed you all the files it uses. If it fails to send the files for
> some reason, let me know and I will post a .zip file somewhere.

The attachments didn't come through on the email. I tried to reply to
you but the AOL postmaster says

<<< 550 hikksnotathome IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER


> > Now I'm getting all failures on the first test in the XP browsers I tried.
>
> I gotta find a better server to put this stuff on.

If you can post a zipped file I will put it up on my server.


> > It is strange though because on the
> > first two clicks I see no activity, on the third click i see
> > "Downloading blah blah blah" in the status bar but when it finishes
> > downloading I don't see the alert. I think the other tests are working
> > but maybe you can look again before I click about 100 times in 20
> > browsers.
>
> I think that is more AOCrap's server than anything else.

The download times have been slow all along but this strange behavior
is new since you added the last two columns. I don't know what's up but
if you post the zip I imagine all will work.

Peter

Peter Michaux said the following on 12/15/2006 12:06 PM:
> Randy Webb wrote:
>>> Randy Webb wrote:
>>>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/>
>>> Is this file really working?
>> I can verify that my local copy works. As for the online copy, I can't
>> even get the nice wonderful AOL server to even serve me the file to test
>> it :\
>>
>> After testing it with the full filename it seems to be loading it for me
>> now in Opera 9.0 and all of the buttons work as designed.
>>
>> I emailed you all the files it uses. If it fails to send the files for
>> some reason, let me know and I will post a .zip file somewhere.
>
> The attachments didn't come through on the email. I tried to reply to
> you but the AOL postmaster says
>
> <<< 550 hikksnotathome IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER

The email address on this post is indeed blocked. The email address to
use is the one in the FAQ for me. It is in the very last section of the FAQ.

>
>>> Now I'm getting all failures on the first test in the XP browsers I tried.
>> I gotta find a better server to put this stuff on.
>
> If you can post a zipped file I will put it up on my server.

<URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index.zip>

If it doesn't work, let me know.

>>> It is strange though because on the
>>> first two clicks I see no activity, on the third click i see
>>> "Downloading blah blah blah" in the status bar but when it finishes
>>> downloading I don't see the alert. I think the other tests are working
>>> but maybe you can look again before I click about 100 times in 20
>>> browsers.
>> I think that is more AOCrap's server than anything else.
>
> The download times have been slow all along but this strange behavior
> is new since you added the last two columns. I don't know what's up but
> if you post the zip I imagine all will work.

Not sure why adding the last two columns would cause the first three to
stop working as nothing was changed in the code for the first three
columns as far as buttons are concerned.

--
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Randy Webb wrote:

> > If you can post a zipped file I will put it up on my server.
>
> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index.zip>
>

I put it up here

<URL: http://peter.michaux.ca/temp/loadJSFile/loadJSFile.html>

It seems to be working more normally.The first column test is working
on the first click in IE5 and IE6 again.

I have 18 hours in the Los Angeles airport to kill. I'll probably find
some time to click a few tests :/

Peter

Peter Michaux said the following on 12/16/2006 12:13 AM:
> Randy Webb wrote:
>
>>> If you can post a zipped file I will put it up on my server.
>> <URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/hikksnotathome/loadJSFile/index.zip>
>>
>
> I put it up here
>
> <URL: http://peter.michaux.ca/temp/loadJSFile/loadJSFile.html>
>
> It seems to be working more normally.The first column test is working
> on the first click in IE5 and IE6 again.
>
> I have 18 hours in the Los Angeles airport to kill. I'll probably find
> some time to click a few tests :/

I spent 6 hours in the Las Vegas Airport before spending 4 hours in the
Atlanta airport Tuesday so I can empathize with you. Better you than me
though

--
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Peter Michaux wrote:

[Re: createTextNode and script insertion]

> I put it up here
>
> <URL: http://peter.michaux.ca/temp/loadJSFile/loadJSFile.html>

Below are my results for the XP and OS X 10.4.8 browsers I have. I
tried to be very careful with version numbers. I can test 10.3 browsers
(Mac/IE 5.2 and Safari 1.3.9) in a couple days. It might be interesting
to add NN6.2.1, 6.2.2, 6.2.3 to see when the innerHTML stopped running
script elements <URL: http://sillydog.org/narchive/full67.php>

It looks like IE4 (no XHR) and iCab 3 (no mass popularity) are the only
lost causes for script insertion. A couple strange Opera results I
noticed too.

Peter


<tr>
<td class="PC" width="160px">IE4.0</td>
<td class="PC" width="110px">Win XP</td>
<td class="no" width="120px">button doesn't animate click</td>
<td class="no" width="120px">button doesn't animate click</td>
<td class="no" width="120px">button doesn't animate click</td>
<td class="no" width="140px">No</td>
<td class="no" width="140px">No</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">IE5.01</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">IE5.5sp2</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">IE6.0</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Opera 8.0</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes (two identical and consecutive alert boxes)</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Opera 7.52</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="yes">Yes (only works on first click)</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Firefox 1.0</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Netscape 8.0.4</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Netscape 7.0</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Netscape 6.2</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Netscape 6.1</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="PC">Netscape 6.0</td>
<td class="PC">Win XP</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
<td class="no">yes</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td class="MAC">Safari 2.0.4</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Camino 1.0.3</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Opera 9.02</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Shiira 1.2.2</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Sunrise 0.89</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Firefox 2.0</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Firefox 1.5.0.8</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">Firefox 1.0</td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="MAC">iCab 3.0.3 </td>
<td class="MAC">MacOS 10.4.8</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="yes">Yes</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
<td class="no">No</td>
</tr>

Peter Michaux said the following on 12/16/2006 2:37 AM:
> Peter Michaux wrote:
>
> [Re: createTextNode and script insertion]
>
>> I put it up here
>>
>> <URL: http://peter.michaux.ca/temp/loadJSFile/loadJSFile.html>
>
> Below are my results for the XP and OS X 10.4.8 browsers I have. I
> tried to be very careful with version numbers. I can test 10.3 browsers
> (Mac/IE 5.2 and Safari 1.3.9) in a couple days. It might be interesting
> to add NN6.2.1, 6.2.2, 6.2.3 to see when the innerHTML stopped running
> script elements <URL: http://sillydog.org/narchive/full67.php>

innerHTML stopped changing it in 7.0PR1,

Results:

Netscape 7.0PR1 Win XP No No Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.2.3 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.2.2 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.2.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.2.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Netscape 6.0.1 Win XP No No No No No
Netscape 6.0 Win XP No No No No No

Yes, I was extremely bored. Just don't ask me which versions support XHR
- I won't go through that again to find out

> It looks like IE4 (no XHR) and iCab 3 (no mass popularity) are the only
> lost causes for script insertion. A couple strange Opera results I
> noticed too.

I retested it in my O7.54 and got the same results of it only working
the first time.

> <tr>
> <td class="PC">Opera 8.0</td>
> <td class="PC">Win XP</td>
> <td class="yes">Yes</td>
> <td class="no">No</td>
> <td class="yes">Yes</td>
> <td class="yes">Yes (two identical and consecutive alert boxes)</td>
> <td class="yes">Yes</td>

Duplicated in 8.01 I think what it is doing is executing it when you set
..text and then again when you appendChild the script block. Have to test
it later after sleep and find out.

> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td class="PC">Opera 7.52</td>
> <td class="PC">Win XP</td>
> <td class="yes">Yes (only works on first click)</td>

Duplicated in 7.54

I have an updated index file for this that covers the NS6-8 browsers
along with the additional test results that I will get uploaded later
this afternoon if AOL will cooperate with me.

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Randy Webb wrote:

> innerHTML stopped changing it in 7.0PR1,
>
> Results:
>
> Netscape 7.0PR1 Win XP No No Yes Yes Yes
> Netscape 6.2.3 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
> Netscape 6.2.2 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
> Netscape 6.2.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
> Netscape 6.2.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes

without the ".1", I imagine.

> Netscape 6.1 Win XP No Yes Yes Yes Yes
> Netscape 6.0.1 Win XP No No No No No
> Netscape 6.0 Win XP No No No No No
>
> Yes, I was extremely bored. Just don't ask me which versions support XHR
> - I won't go through that again to find out

You can always check the group FAQ

<URL: http://jibbering.com/faq/newfaq/#FAQ4_34>

To figure that out for the FAQ, I tested 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2 and assume
following point releases of 6.2 have XHR also.

Peter