Top 3 implementations?

Hello,
Some light googling hasn't really turned up anything.

Wikipedia lists SwiftForth, VFX, and gForth, which jibes with my
gut.

Opinions? Statistics?

Thanks,
Tarkin

That sounds about right to me, though not necessarily in that order.






On Apr 27, 4:46*pm, Tarkin <tarkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> * Some light googling hasn't really turned up anything.
>
> * Wikipedia lists SwiftForth, VFX, and gForth, which jibes with my
> gut.
>
> *Opinions? Statistics?
>
> Thanks,
> * Tarkin

On Apr 27, 9:46*am, Tarkin <tarkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> * Some light googling hasn't really turned up anything.
>
> * Wikipedia lists SwiftForth, VFX, and gForth, which jibes with my
> gut.
>
> *Opinions? Statistics?
>
> Thanks,
> * Tarkin

Don't buy SwiftForth.

On Apr 27, 9:46*am, Tarkin <tarkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> * Some light googling hasn't really turned up anything.
>
> * Wikipedia lists SwiftForth, VFX, and gForth, which jibes with my
> gut.
>
> *Opinions? Statistics?
>
> Thanks,
> * Tarkin

Don't buy SwiftForth.

Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> Don't buy SwiftForth.

You should rather sell him your copy, to get your money back ;-).

--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

On 5/3/12 6:45 AM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>> Don't buy SwiftForth.
>
> You should rather sell him your copy, to get your money back ;-).
>

Hugh's copy is 10 years old, and hopelessly obsolete.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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On Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:45:37 AM UTC-7, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > Don't buy SwiftForth.
>
> You should rather sell him your copy, to get your money back ;-).
>
> --
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

LOL

On Apr 27, 11:02*am, Mark Wills <markrobertwi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> That sounds about right to me, though not necessarily in that order.
>
> On Apr 27, 4:46*pm, Tarkin <tarkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > * Some light googling hasn't really turned up anything.
>
> > * Wikipedia lists SwiftForth, VFX, and gForth, which jibes with my
> > gut.
>
> > *Opinions? Statistics?
>
> > Thanks,
> > * Tarkin

what about PFE?

Hi,

On May 3, 1:01*pm, "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erat...@forth.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/12 6:45 AM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> > Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> >> Don't buy SwiftForth.
>
> > You should rather sell him your copy, to get your money back ;-).
>
> Hugh's copy is 10 years old, and hopelessly obsolete.

Bwahahaha! I was wondering why nobody jumped on this thread. Even I
several times wanted to post something ridiculous and sarcastic (no
offense intended).

Four out of five angry cab drivers agree: SwiftForth "sucks!"

ER, your sig is so huge that I was also going to say something like,
"SwiftForth? Never heard of it. If only it had a website, phone
number, someone to contact. It's not like they've been around for
decades! Where will we find them?"

On a serious note, Top 3 in what way? Cost, features, platforms,
standards, ??? So it's all personal choice, basically. We could all
name dozens of Forths. I'm surprised Win32Forth wasn't mentioned (but
he did arbitrarily limit to "Top 3").

So let's make a Top Ten, in random order, in regards to
implementations by frequent contributors to comp.lang.forth:

GForth
SwiftForth
MPE / VFX
DX-Forth
4tH
iForth
kForth
Win32Forth
ciForth
CHForth
bigForth
Pygmy
CamelForth
colorForth
minForth

Oops, that's way more than 10, and I'm still forgetting some,
probably. You could just ask people what they use, but that wouldn't
be exhaustive either. (It doesn't really matter, obviously.)

Rugxulo wrote:
> Bwahahaha! I was wondering why nobody jumped on this thread. Even I
> several times wanted to post something ridiculous and sarcastic (no
> offense intended).
BECAUSE IT'S RIDICULOUS! It's like the competition "Who has the biggest one
on Tonga"? Ok, let's get the ruler.

I have about 30 subscriptions in Freecode. RetroForth almost twice as many.
But that's NOTHING compared to Gambas, who has <gosh> ALMOST 140
SUBSCRIPTIONS. If we investigate gForth and others.. nowhere to be found.

Let's get back one step: who's ever seen a Gambas program? I haven't..

The last time I saw an article in a mainstream Linux magazine was when they
did a series on "esoteric programming languages". Ohloh didn't even LIST
Forth until a week or so ago and even now they can't detect the language
properly.

Companies are afraid of me writing Forth code because they're only a handful
of programmers in Holland who can even READ it, let alone MAINTAIN it. And
half of them haven't left the eighties and are still playing with 16-bit
processors and make LEDS blink.

We're DEAD. We just don't know it yet.

Hans Bezemer

Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:
> We're DEAD. We just don't know it yet.

More accurately, Forth is somewhere between the PDP-8 and the PDP-11 in terms
of its downward trajectory. It's still out there, and there are even jobs to
be had doing it. But not as many as there were 10 years ago, and more than
there will be in another 10 years.

(None of these comments are directed towards Mr. Moore's work--it's brilliant
and I don't feel competent to comment on how it might do in the world.)

--
Andy Valencia
Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html

vandys@vsta.org wrote:
> (None of these comments are directed towards Mr. Moore's work--it's
> brilliant and I don't feel competent to comment on how it might do in the
> world.)
I second that motion. I still do most of my programming in 4tH. I use C only
when updating 4tH itself ;-) I think it's the most brilliant programming
language around - it's so easy to understand. But it's not anything for the
masses, it seems.

Hans Bezemer

Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:

> vandys@vsta.org wrote:
> > (None of these comments are directed towards Mr. Moore's work--it's
> > brilliant and I don't feel competent to comment on how it might do in the
> > world.)
> I second that motion. I still do most of my programming in 4tH. I use C only
> when updating 4tH itself ;-) I think it's the most brilliant programming
> language around - it's so easy to understand. But it's not anything for the
> masses, it seems.

That's probably the biggest proof you actually accomplished something.

Most of what is good never succeeds commercially and most of what succeeds
commercially isn't any good. That's not always true but it's true most of
the time.

On May 3, 2:15*pm, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On May 3, 1:01*pm, "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erat...@forth.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/3/12 6:45 AM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> > > Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > >> Don't buy SwiftForth.
>
> > > You should rather sell him your copy, to get your money back ;-).
>
> > Hugh's copy is 10 years old, and hopelessly obsolete.
>
> Bwahahaha! I was wondering why nobody jumped on this thread. Even I
> several times wanted to post something ridiculous and sarcastic (no
> offense intended).
>
> Four out of five angry cab drivers agree: *SwiftForth "sucks!"
>
> ER, your sig is so huge that I was also going to say something like,
> "SwiftForth? Never heard of it. If only it had a website, phone
> number, someone to contact. It's not like they've been around for
> decades! Where will we find them?"
>
> On a serious note, Top 3 in what way? Cost, features, platforms,
> standards, ??? So it's all personal choice, basically. We could all
> name dozens of Forths. I'm surprised Win32Forth wasn't mentioned (but
> he did arbitrarily limit to "Top 3").
>
> So let's make a Top Ten, in random order, in regards to
> implementations by frequent contributors to comp.lang.forth:
>
> GForth
> SwiftForth
> MPE / VFX
> DX-Forth
> 4tH
> iForth
> kForth
> Win32Forth
> ciForth
> CHForth
> bigForth
> Pygmy
> CamelForth
> colorForth
> minForth
>
> Oops, that's way more than 10, and I'm still forgetting some,
> probably. You could just ask people what they use, but that wouldn't
> be exhaustive either. (It doesn't really matter, obviously.)

I was thinking of user base, adoption, and compatibility.
Probably should have put that in the original question :/

I was looking for three implementations to try example code
on before posting said example code.

I had forgotten about iForth, but figured gForth had OS X
covered.

Thanks,
Tarkin

On May 4, 5:53*pm, Hans Bezemer <the.beez.spe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rugxulo wrote:
> > Bwahahaha! I was wondering why nobody jumped on this thread. Even I
> > several times wanted to post something ridiculous and sarcastic (no
> > offense intended).
>
> BECAUSE IT'S RIDICULOUS! It's like the competition "Who has the biggest one
> on Tonga"? Ok, let's get the ruler.
>
> I have about 30 subscriptions in Freecode. RetroForth almost twice as many.
> But that's NOTHING compared to Gambas, who has <gosh> ALMOST 140
> SUBSCRIPTIONS. If we investigate gForth and others.. nowhere to be found.
>
> Let's get back one step: who's ever seen a Gambas program? I haven't..
>
> The last time I saw an article in a mainstream Linux magazine was when they
> did a series on "esoteric programming languages". Ohloh didn't even LIST
> Forth until a week or so ago and even now they can't detect the language
> properly.
>
> Companies are afraid of me writing Forth code because they're only a handful
> of programmers in Holland who can even READ it, let alone MAINTAIN it. And
> half of them haven't left the eighties and are still playing with 16-bit
> processors and make LEDS blink.
>
> We're DEAD. We just don't know it yet.
>
> Hans Bezemer

There may be a glimmer of hope in X11 and/or CGI...
Embedded webservers...
Diagnostic terminals, perhaps using framebuffer or XCB...

TTFN,
Tarkin