Windows 7

Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

On Oct 25, 2:23*pm, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

It is supposed to, anyway, it is a DOS application.

Regards,

Marco.

Freedom is not a permission for chaos.

M Mordkovych wrote:
> Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

Clipper 5 is a 16-bit MSDOS application and creates 16-bit MSDOS executables.
Until now, Windows allows these programs through ntvdm.exe, NT Virtual DOS
Machine, an MSDOS emulator. I don't know whether any version of Windows 7
provides ntvdm.exe. Ask Microsoft.

--
Joe Wright
"If you rob Peter to pay Paul you can depend on the support of Paul."

Dear

On Oct 25, 1:23*pm, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

As long as you do not have a 64-bit version of Windoze, it should. If
you do have a 64-bit version (as I do), no.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/282423

Maybe DOSbox will help?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosbox/

David A. Smith

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:23:48 -0400, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_pls@verizon.net> wrote:

>Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?
>
I just bought 7 and installed it!
No, no 16bits application are running!

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:24:46 +0100, otto <ohaldi@freesurf.ch> wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:23:48 -0400, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_pls@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?
>>
>I just bought 7 and installed it!
>No, no 16bits application are running!

32 or 64-bit?



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On Oct 31, 8:24*am, otto <oha...@freesurf.ch> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:23:48 -0400, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?
>
> I just bought 7 and installed it!
> No, no 16bits application are running!

If you right click on "Computer", then select "Properties", the "Basic
Information" screen should say "System type:" followed by 32-bit or 64-
bit Operating System.

Which is it for you?

David A. Smith

Maybe it's time to move away from Clipper?
Especially if the customer wants to use W7 for other things.

I'm not being flippant here but I doubt there isn't an application out
there now that couldn't benefit from an upgrade to the world of Windows.

Geoff



"otto" <ohaldi@freesurf.ch> wrote in message
news:d7loe5hn95ru86cv9uat3ncvmdujo73k96@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:23:48 -0400, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_pls@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?
> >
>
> I just bought 7 and installed it!
> No, no 16bits application are running!

On Oct 25, 9:23*pm, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

Clipper 5 application can't run

I suggest you recompile your application using the harbour project
that have made a free and open source compiler 100% clipper
compatible
You need simple steep and easy step as 123 for compile your harbour
application:
1) download last version from http://www.syenar.hu/harbour/
2) put c:\harbour20\bin in path
3) compile your source using hbmk2 myprg1.prg myprg2.prg
run your compiled application

Harbour is more fast of clipper and more reliable of clipper
work on pure 32bit/64 bit and support also windows mobile application

Massimo Belgrano

Dear Geoff Schaller:

On Nov 2, 1:24*am, "Geoff Schaller"
<geo...@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote:
> Maybe it's time to move away from Clipper?
> Especially if the customer wants to use W7
> for other things.
>
> I'm not being flippant here but I doubt
> there isn't an application out there now
> that couldn't benefit from an upgrade to
> the world of Windows.

Data entry programs suffer a loss of speed, but this just makes the
programmer's job more difficult to minimize it.

I had a customer whose main complaint was that it took his operators
much longer to enter tax form information in Windoze, vs. the compiled
VB code running in NTVDM I had made for him... But he is well and
truly on Windoze now, electronic filing took care of that.

David A. Smith

Dave.

Performance issues just mean that the windows code version sucked. The
developer has at his disposal all tools necessary to make a windows data
entry application just as fast as a clipper one. In fact, on a 64 bit
platform, probably faster. But with windows you have far, far greater
and more professional tools at your disposal to do the job better than
Clipper could ever dream of.

Such things are all in the design.

A slow windows app is just a poorly designed one.

Geoff



"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:a0a161f5-235a-425d-9870-7225738bea88@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com:

> Dear Geoff Schaller:
>
> On Nov 2, 1:24 am, "Geoff Schaller"
> <geo...@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's time to move away from Clipper?
> > Especially if the customer wants to use W7
> > for other things.
> >
> > I'm not being flippant here but I doubt
> > there isn't an application out there now
> > that couldn't benefit from an upgrade to
> > the world of Windows.
>
>
> Data entry programs suffer a loss of speed, but this just makes the
> programmer's job more difficult to minimize it.
>
> I had a customer whose main complaint was that it took his operators
> much longer to enter tax form information in Windoze, vs. the compiled
> VB code running in NTVDM I had made for him... But he is well and
> truly on Windoze now, electronic filing took care of that.
>
> David A. Smith

On Nov 2, 9:09*am, Massimo Belgrano <massimo.belgr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 25, 9:23*pm, "M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?
>
> Clipper 5 application can't run
>
> I suggest you recompile your application using the harbour project
> that have made *a free *and open source compiler 100% clipper
> compatible
> You need simple steep and easy step as 123 for compile your harbour
> application:
> 1) download last version fromhttp://www.syenar.hu/harbour/
> 2) put c:\harbour20\bin in path
> 3) compile your source using hbmk2 myprg1.prg myprg2.prg
> run your compiled application
>
> Harbour is more fast of clipper and more reliable of clipper
> work on pure 32bit/64 bit and support also windows mobile application
>
> Massimo Belgrano


Does Harbour handle T-Browse of DBF files? I've been trying xHarbour
and so far I haven't gotten T-Browse to work correctly.

Good news.

Windows 7 does in fact run 16 bit apps so you can all relax.

What you do is download Virtual PC (which is free). It installs in such
a way to W7 that it becomes like an application loader. You will install
your 16 bit Clipper app into an XP mode window but you can extend the
icon out to the regular W7 desktop for Joe Citizen to use. The Microsoft
site has a bunch of small tutorials on the issue and instructions on how
to set this up.

Essentially you are running your Clipper app in a virtual PC but the
interface is relatively seamless to the user.

Geoff Schaller


"M Mordkovych" <mmordk1_no_spam_pls@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hc2c4m$hhe$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Hi All! Can Clipper 5 application be run on it?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:47:53 GMT, "Geoff Schaller"
<geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote:

>Good news.
>
>Windows 7 does in fact run 16 bit apps so you can all relax.
>
>What you do is download Virtual PC (which is free). It installs in such
>a way to W7 that it becomes like an application loader. You will install
>your 16 bit Clipper app into an XP mode window but you can extend the
>icon out to the regular W7 desktop for Joe Citizen to use. The Microsoft
>site has a bunch of small tutorials on the issue and instructions on how
>to set this up.
>
>Essentially you are running your Clipper app in a virtual PC but the
>interface is relatively seamless to the user.
>
>Geoff Schaller


There are a few caveats though. For starters, XP virtualization
requires a fairly beefy machine. MS is recommending 2GB of memory.
Also, the PC must have chip-level virtualization, and that's not a
given. Most older machines don't have it and many newer machines have
it turned off in the bios. Given that a lot of the folks still
running Clipper apps are probably running on older, less-endowed
hardware means that Virtual PC won't be a universal panacea.
--
ScottCoffey at Scott dash(-) Coffey dot net

Scott.

Why on earth would you be wanting to put Windows 7 on an old PC?
Why on earth would someone be wanting to use an old PC? How old?

It can't be a case of economy. For instance, 2GB DDR2 RAM is now less
than $80 a stick so heck, just assume everyone can have 4GB or more.
Most people are reasonable about this and it makes everything else run
faster too.

Let's face it. The correct (commercial or personal) thing to do would be
to replace a PC at least every three years. It is just specious to
expect people are going use a dinosaur and to want to keep using a
dinosaur to carry out commercial activity. A new dual core PC is less
than $600. A new i7 box probably $900.

So yes, W7 needs the RAM to run XP mode but then I find this perfectly
reasonable.

Geoff



"Scott Coffey" <none@noemail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:7puof5dr2vc3ae79qlde6qhbstbrk4vl6q@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:47:53 GMT, "Geoff Schaller"
> <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> >Good news.
> >
> >Windows 7 does in fact run 16 bit apps so you can all relax.
> >
> >What you do is download Virtual PC (which is free). It installs in such
> >a way to W7 that it becomes like an application loader. You will install
> >your 16 bit Clipper app into an XP mode window but you can extend the
> >icon out to the regular W7 desktop for Joe Citizen to use. The Microsoft
> >site has a bunch of small tutorials on the issue and instructions on how
> >to set this up.
> >
> >Essentially you are running your Clipper app in a virtual PC but the
> >interface is relatively seamless to the user.
> >
> >Geoff Schaller
>
>
>
> There are a few caveats though. For starters, XP virtualization
> requires a fairly beefy machine. MS is recommending 2GB of memory.
> Also, the PC must have chip-level virtualization, and that's not a
> given. Most older machines don't have it and many newer machines have
> it turned off in the bios. Given that a lot of the folks still
> running Clipper apps are probably running on older, less-endowed
> hardware means that Virtual PC won't be a universal panacea.
> --
> ScottCoffey at Scott dash(-) Coffey dot net