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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:36:03 +0000, Jonathan Lewis wrote:

> "Mladen Gogala" <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hcihgo$7o6$1@solani.org...
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:26:54 +0000, Jonathan Lewis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The threat of being sued for a derogatory comment (even a true one)
>>> being made by a list member was something that no-one else wanted to
>>> take on - and you're complaining because you now can't say whatever
>>> you like whenever you like because Steve took on that risk.
>>>
>>>
>> My comments could neither be qualified as libel nor slander so they did
>> not pose a danger to anyone. Nobody could have sued either me or the
>> moderator for my comments. I am complaining because I was prevented
>> from telling lazy ignorants off. It is this "enforcing the morality"
>> that I am complaining about and that is what turned the oracle-l into a
>> useless high traffic forum. In addition to that, such danger no longer
>> existed when he banned me for bad behavior.
>
>
> Let me repeat this bit - since you seem to have missed the point:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------- When
> Steve took responsibility for Oracle-L, the previous moderator had
> decided to shut it down because of noises begin made in the US
> courts about moderators being responsible for all comments made on
> such lists.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------

As far as I am concerned, this makes no difference. Having the list in
the state like it is now is as good as if it wasn't there.

>
> Steve took on the list when no-one else would. Had it not been for him
> the list would have ceased to exist years ago, and there would have been
> no need, or opportunity, for you to tell anyone off.
>
> It's his game, if you don't like the rules no-one is going to force you
> to play.


But I am still allowed to voice my opinion. Things have not changed in
this respect. He banned me from the list but I can express my opinion
here. Also, it seems that moderating the list is about the only thing he
does. I don't know if you noticed, but this forum has much lighter
traffic than the list so it's much easier to keep tabs on really
interesting topics when they show up. In other words, this forum is
becoming much more useful than oracle-l. I wouldn't be surprised to see
people return to this forum and abandon the oracle-l altogether. I
believe that the list has outlived its usefulness, especially with this
leadership. Steve Adams has, after all, stopped doing interesting things
a long time ago. He's just hanging in there for the marketing effect.


> I'd be curious to know, though, how long you survived on the
> list after he took over.

I don't know, I didn't do any accounting. I don't see the point of this
discussion? Steve took a list when nobody else would and turned it into a
useless milquetoast forum. Judging by the overall tone of the list seems
to be "enforcing morality" there even now, when nobody is talking about
lawsuits. Not much else is done there.

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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:15:47 +0100, Gerard H. Pille wrote:

> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>> My comments could neither be qualified as libel nor slander so they did
>> not pose a danger to anyone.
> ...
>> Things being as they are, I still consider Steve Adams a prudish prick
>> who has single-handedly destroyed once useful list.
>
> I must be losing my grasp of the english language.

You mean the English language?



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On Nov 1, 1:34*pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

> > I must be losing my grasp of the english language.
>
> You mean the English language?

For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...

On 2009-11-01, hpuxrac <johnbhurley@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 1:34*pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>> > I must be losing my grasp of the english language.
>>
>> You mean the English language?
>
> For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...

For whose practical purposes?

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hpuxrac schreef:
> On Nov 1, 1:34 pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>> I must be losing my grasp of the english language.
>> You mean the English language?
>
> For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...

Or listen to Simon and Garfunkel
(I get slandered, libeled, hear words I never read in the bible)

Shakespeare

(but I'm sooooooooooo tired...)

On 1 Nov, 18:40, hpuxrac <johnbhur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...

The official language in the United States is English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

There is no "American" language.

-g

gazzag wrote:
> On 1 Nov, 18:40, hpuxrac<johnbhur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...
>
> The official language in the United States is English:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
>
> There is no "American" language.
>
> -g

There used to be quite a lot of them.

On Oct 31, 9:02*am, "Jonathan Lewis" <jonat...@jlcomp.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> "Gerard H. Pille" <g...@skynet.be> wrote in messagenews:4aec43e5$0$2864$ba620e4c@news.skynet.b e...
>
>
>
> > What is "oracle-l" exactly?
>
> It is a community based on a "list-server" which is a
> mail-handling program that forwards any email you
> send it to anyone who is registered as a recipient.
>
> If you want to see the archive for this October to gauge
> the level of participation, you can go to the following link:
> * *http://www.freelists.org/archive/oracle-l/10-2009
>
> You can always simply browse the archive, but if you
> want to join the mailing list, start with this link:
> * *http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
>

Newbies, please be aware that the emails posted to the list go
directly to spam generators. This may not affect people with
sufficient anti-spam protection, but I for one wonder about places
that claim to have sufficient anti-spam protection. I was able to
drop the work email affected (it had not been spammed at all, then got
hammered immediately after the first post to Oracle-L), but more
recently it's been re-enabled, with notifications of suspicious emails
trapped and the option to receive each. It's still getting spammed
several years later.

There is a basic problem with that type of moderation, there's no way
to know if lurking users are spambots. Read from an address you
don't post from, post from an address you don't care about, if you
don't already have a spam problem.

jg
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On Nov 2, 3:00*am, gazzag <gar...@jamms.org> wrote:
> On 1 Nov, 18:40, hpuxrac <johnbhur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...
>
> The official language in the United States is English:http://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/United_States
>
> There is no "American" language.
>
> -g

Take another look at the link you posted. English is not the official
language in the United States, though it is in some states. This has
profound implications where I live, where English _is_ the official
language, and 25% of the schoolchildren primarily speak one of about
65 other languages (much higher % in my immediate area). In the Los
Angeles metropolitan area, the majority of households are primarily
non-English speaking. I think it is pretty stupid to have something
against people just because English isn't their first language.

jg
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"You also have to remember that when we go to China and tell them San
Diego's the seventh-biggest city in the United States, with 1.3
million people, that's peanuts to them. They have more than 150 cities
with more than 1 million people. Even a state like California, which
has about 33 million people, is only the equivalent of the city of
Chongqing and its environs, which we visited on a recent trade
mission. So even if we go over with the governor, in a way that's only
the equivalent of a big-city mayor in China. " - Bella Heule

gazzag schreef:
> On 1 Nov, 18:40, hpuxrac <johnbhur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> For all practical purposes you might as well just say American ...
>
> The official language in the United States is English:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
>
> There is no "American" language.
>
> -g

There is! NLS_LANG=AMERICAN_AMERICA.WE8MSWIN1252

Shakespeare

On 2 Nov, 17:57, joel garry <joel-ga...@home.com> wrote:
>
> Take another look at the link you posted. *English is not the official
> language in the United States, though it is in some states. *This has
> profound implications where I live, where English _is_ the official
> language, and 25% of the schoolchildren primarily speak one of about
> 65 other languages (much higher % in my immediate area). *In the Los
> Angeles metropolitan area, the majority of households are primarily
> non-English speaking. *

I take your point, Joel. The Wikipedia entry says:

"Official languages: None at federal level
National language: English (de facto)"

Still, it's not "Amercan" which was my point.

> I think it is pretty stupid to have something
> against people just because English isn't their first language.
>

I agree. I currently live in the UK - where I was born - but have
spent a large proportion of my life living in other people's countries
and have always attempted to pick up the local lingo. I reckon I can
order beer in about eight different languages

> jg
> --

Cheers,
-g

gazzag wrote:
>
> I agree. I currently live in the UK - where I was born - but have
> spent a large proportion of my life living in other people's countries
> and have always attempted to pick up the local lingo. I reckon I can
> order beer in about eight different languages
>

Een pintje?